Conditioning to Consciousness

28. From Amish Cult to Energetic Leader: Emily Adams on Human Design and Rebuilding Your Life

• Jess Callahan • Episode 28

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What happens when you walk away from everything you’ve ever known - your family, your culture, your religion - and have to rebuild your life… twice?

In this episode, I sit down with Emily Adams, a speaker, coach, and creator of a new human design for leadership platform, to talk about her extraordinary journey from growing up in the Amish community to becoming a powerful, grounded leader in the worlds of business, energy, and self-trust.

Emily shares how leaving the Amish at 17 - literally climbing out of a second-story window in the middle of the night - threw her into a full identity crisis and culture shock. We walk through her climb into the corporate automotive world, her spiritual awakening after a painful divorce, and the deep trauma work (EMDR, inner child work, plant medicine) that eventually led her to astrology and human design.

Today, she uses human design to help leaders, teams, and entrepreneurs align how they work with their innate energy, instead of continuing to burn out in hustle culture.

In this conversation, we explore:

  • What it was like to escape the Amish culture and start over with a sixth-grade education
  • The realities of unprocessed trauma and the catalyst that led to her spiritual awakening
  • How human design became a tool for healing, deconditioning, and reclaiming her voice
  • What it means to be a Manifestor 4/6 and how understanding her design changed how she works, parents, and leads
  • Practical, accessible ways to start using human design: type, authority, and profile
  • How she uses human design as a parent to better understand and support her two sons
  • Why purpose isn’t a fixed destination, but something that evolves as you do
  • The story behind her new tech platform that blends human design, coaching, and leadership development

If you’ve ever felt out of place in your own life, questioned the systems you were raised in, or wondered how to build a life that actually fits your energy, this episode will speak directly to you.

Connect with Emily

Human Design + Leadership Platform:
https://leadingwithhumandesign.com/ 

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YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EmilyAdams_

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilyadams8/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/emilyadamm/


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Thanks for listening — I’m so grateful you’re here.

Speaker 1:

Hey guys, welcome back and happy new year. Hopefully everyone is finding their balance again after the December holidays. I hope you had some time for you to reflect on the year that was and all that's ahead for you this year. And if you didn't, before you enter the new year full speed ahead, now is still a really great time to take that moment. Because cycles of rest are just as important as cycles of output or productivity. So this is just a reminder to take some time for you. My guest in today's episode is Emily Adams, and her story is really inspiring. Today she's a speaker and she works with businesses and leaders to align how they work with their innate energy signature using human design. She also recently launched a tech platform that brilliantly blends human design and coaching, and I've included the link for that in the show notes. And while Emily is doing really powerful and meaningful work, the road that brought her here was not an easy one. As she'll tell us in the episode, she escapes what she calls the Amish cult when she was 17, literally in the middle of the night, and had to rebuild her entire life. But the crazy part is that she didn't just rebuild once, she had to rebuild twice. And here she is, sharing her work and her passion for energetic alignment with us today. So let's dive in. All right, Emily, I am so happy to have you with us today. Um, this is a conversation that I've been looking forward to all week since we first connected on threads. I'm just, I'm really grateful to have you here. Human design, um, especially combined with just like the story of um, you know, where you came from and how you got here. I'm just I'm so excited to learn from you and just, you know, hear your story as I know my listeners will be too. So I'd love to just turn it over to you.

Speaker:

Thank you. And thank you for having me and allowing me to be part of this platform. So I will give you the backstory, and then that will understand, have the listeners understand how I got into human design to start with. So um, the backstory, I was born and raised in the Amish culture, and I left at 17 in the middle of the night, jumped out of a two-story window, and never looked back. And the Amish cult is very much a cult, it's conditioned, it is controlled. It is a religious cult, so their beliefs are very much Christian, but in a perspective of like where God is this big scary God, right? It's gonna come down and you're gonna burn in hell and all the things. So after leaving at 17, um, I leave and I go through a culture shock. Like, I'm like, oh my goodness, like, who am I now? Like it's completely, I have no idea who I am, what identity I have. Um, worked really hard and uh got into the corporate space, um, ended up graduating from Purdue after. So in the Amish culture, I only had a what was equivalent to a sixth grade education. I got my GED and then graduated from Purdue, built my career in the automotive manufacturing space because that's the only place that would hire me without a GED and without the education. But I stayed in that industry because I was really, really good at it, and ended up um just staying in the cult, you know, in the industry and then fast forward, I go through a spiritual awakening. And I'm like, oh my goodness, like this is not where it's at. I've got to make some serious changes. And basically all my unprocessed trauma came to the surface. And that was in 2019, 2020, and that's where I went through um tons of EMDR therapy, inner child work. I probably tried every modality that you can think about. Um, ended up doing some plant medicine, and then I found astrology, went down that rabbit hole. Then I found human design and I started using it, but not as religiously, you know, for another year or two. And then I was like, okay, I'm gonna deep dive into human design. Then I realized I'm a manifester with a four-six profile line. Um, manifestors are like 9% of the world's. And uh we have a there's some beauty and there's also some challenges just with like any other design, right? And it clicked and it made me understand for the first time in a long time. I was like, wow, I can now connect the dots. I can understand why I went through what I went through. I can understand why I felt the way I felt. And it really helped me um heal. And then also it was kind of a source of truth for me to come back to and decondition from all of the conditioning that I was raised with. And then on top of that, being conditioned in the corporate world, right? You gotta hustle and grind, hustle and grind. And then in the automotive manufacturing uh industry, there's 25% female and only 3% of those making it leadership. So you're constantly overcompensating. And that's kind of where, you know, I led to implementing human design deconditioning. And then I used it for my boys. I have a single mom of two boys, and I used it to become a better parent for them to understand them better. And then started using it with my clients and saw them get better results in their business and just in general their life. Once they understood how it worked and I coached them based on their human design, the results was crazy. And then this year uh in 2025, early 2025, um, decided to build out a tech platform based on human design. And so that's how we got here with leading with human design. So I know that was a long intro, but that's that's how I got here.

Speaker 1:

Wow. I I feel like you've lived an entire lifetime in just like, you know, or or maybe more, like multiple lifetimes in the years you've been here. Like that's that's wild. And to go through, I mean, your timing of your spiritual awakening 2019-2020, like that was already a really, you know, the entry point of a really hard time in life. Like, I imagine that was um just extra, extra challenging.

Speaker:

Yeah, and what was the catalyst for that? Um, I was married at the time and uh he came home and said, I don't love you anymore. And I had missed all the signs that he had been cheating on me. And that was the catalyst for my awakening. And then I went through it and then, you know, we kind of went into COVID, which was wild, like all of it.

Speaker 1:

Wow. And to think that you're here, like sharing your healing and your story and your gifts with us, like that's just um that's incredible. It's really it's incredible. So, okay, I want to rewind a little bit. I want to just a little like personal uh side note is um I'm I'm interested in the you know, the pre-leaving area. Like we I live in south central Pennsylvania, so we have a huge Amish community here. Um, I'm guessing if you went into the automotive industry where you're not located locally, like to my Amish community, right?

Speaker:

No, there so I was born and raised in Indiana, and also um there's Amish communities all over the United States.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, everywhere. We I know we like it's we have it feels like a big Amish community here, but I'm not sure how it relates um, you know, on a national level. But okay, so at 17, you leave. Um what what was like the driving point that made you want to leave?

Speaker:

So growing up, I was never your typical Amish girl. I just wasn't. I never played in a box. I did not do well with their roles and the conditioning. And so at a young age, I knew like, I am not, I'm not with these people. I don't know what it is, didn't really know what it was, got out of school when I was 13, started questioning a lot of things. And then I lost my best friend in a buggy accident. Her and her boyfriend were snipe-swiped by a semi. And that was at her funeral, there was some things said that I did not agree with. And that was kind of the catalyst to really look at things differently. And I remember thinking to myself, if she's not gonna go to heaven, and that's what they think, I might as well go live my best life. And I really don't care about God in this culture and whatever, like, let me burn in hell because I don't really know if it's true or not, right? So that was kind of the mentality that I had because I'm like, if I can't be good enough in this culture, and I constantly have to ask for forgiveness, and there's no one can tell me what's good enough and what's not. It was so ingrained, and you're never good enough, especially as a female. And you're also just there to have babies and be a mom, right? That's your career path. Yeah. I'm like, I'm just gonna take my shots, you know, and that's also very much manifestor style, like, okay, we're just gonna be the crazy one and do the crazy thing.

Speaker 1:

Wow. So from a young age, you could you were already, whether you could name it or not, you were spotting the conditioning that was sort of like um, like keeping you like bound, right? Like keeping you in place, keeping you restricted. So, so okay, then when you left, like what was that like? Like what was waiting for you on the other side? And how did you make it work?

Speaker:

Like, yeah, what that was like was it was very much I would wake up and I'm like, okay, I don't even know who I am now, right? I have to figure this out, I have to look for community. I was constantly searching for, I would say probably for a solid decade. I thought, you know, I can't let anybody know that I used to be Amish because I have this identity still. Because when I first left, I got like this job at a restaurant and I made the mistake of telling somebody I used to be Amish, and they started cracking jokes and then would make, you know, these weird inappropriate comments to me. And I'm like, okay, never again am I telling anybody that. And see, you could still pick it up somewhat in my language because the Amish speak fluent German. So I practiced really speaking like English and making sure like I was, you know, it was appropriate and all the things, like trying to follow all the rules so I would fit in. But I never really felt like I fit in to any kind of community until I started uh powerlifting competitively. And that was the first community where I felt really welcomed and like it was family and like they had my back. And that was kind of a journey of trying to constantly try to fit in. And then I would say it wasn't until I really went through my spiritual awakening where I realized that there's no trying to fit in, right? Like you don't need to fit in these boxes. You find the people that you attract, and that's community, that's family. And that was kind of the journey that I took for that.

Speaker 1:

Wow. Yeah, I'm still I'm just like stuck on this like double awakening, like back-to-back awakening that you went through. Cause it's like all of this like religious conditioning and like familial, I'm sure, like patriarchal conditioning. If you're, you know, I guess the woman who's supposed to just be in the home and then you're on your own. And then you have this whole spiritual awakening that happens after you have to like rebuild again. Like that's um, it's just really inspiring that you're standing here, like ready to just to teach us about all of these incredible things that you know. Um, so okay, so human design then is it's a topic I love. I don't know as much about as I would like to, but I feel really passionate about helping people on this like inner journey because I think that the more that we go inward and the more that we, you know, can know ourselves, the more we heal ourselves, the more the healing has that ripple effect that impacts the world around us, the more the world around us heals. And we know we need some, we know we need some healing in this world right now, you know. So, but I think it all starts by going inward. And I know that human design does it helps you do just that. So I'm wondering if you could start by kind of giving us like um a high-level overview of like what human design is and how you use it specifically.

Speaker:

Yeah, so high-level human design. So I say it's an experience. And you get to choose, pick and choose what experience you want to have. You may agree or disagree with your chart, right? That's an experience that you get to have. And so I always say if you're gonna start with human design, start with three things. Don't try to like deep dive through all the the topics because you will go down rabbit holes that you're just like, oh my goodness, this is way too much. So I always say start with your design type, your inner authority, and your profile lines. So your design type will really tell you at a baseline, kind of overall. I'm gonna kind of give you like this overall compass of like, okay, this is kind of how I function, this is how people see me, this is how I act. Now, it's even better if you can look at your design types and look at your strengths, but also look at the um what I call challenges or the shadow side. So for an example, I'm a manifester. My strength is I initiate, I'm fast, I'm quick, I don't ask for permission, I say what I'm gonna do and I move. If you want to come with, cool. If not, I don't care. Right. That's my like that's who who I am as a manifestor. That's a strength. A shadow to that is when I don't inform people or I move out of alignment, it blows up in my face. And so learning that and understanding and working with it on a day-to-day basis is gonna be key for you to understand yourself more, and the more that you can understand that. And then with the inner authority, that's really how you make your decisions. So we have all these, you know, there's multiple inner authorities, and I'm an emotional authority. And then I have a son who's a sacral authority, right? We're very different. So the emotional authority, they got to ride the wave out before they make the decision. And so for the longest time, I didn't trust myself in the decision-making process because I was in a high wave, I would say yes, come down off that emotional wave, and then all of a sudden I'm like, ooh, gross. No, that's a no. Now I don't want to do it. But because I said yes, I'm gonna go back and do it out of guilt, and now I'm gonna be angry and bitter about it, right? Instead of, you know, being like, okay, now I need 24 to 48 hours, I'll make the decision and I'll let you know. Like I just asked for time. I don't make decisions right on the spot if I'm not in a neutral space versus my son who's a safe girl, and I'm only using these two examples because there's other inner authorities, but the safe girl answers in a yes or a no. So I ask him a question um, do you want um, you know, pizza or chicken? And it's a yes or a no, right? So if you can ask the sacriles yes or no questions, their uh decision-making process gets very easy versus me and my other son, who are the emotional authorities, we're like, well, we gotta think about it and we'll be back, right? So that's kind of the decision-making process. And if you can understand that in your life and practice it with small things, practice it with grocery stopping, practice it with your spouse, your children, and start to embody that and then take it into your business, then take it into deeper parts of your life, because you'll start to build up that uh inner trust. And that's what it's all about, right? To realign with who you are, how you function, and embody that and do it in an unapologetic way. Like it's okay for you to be you, you know, it's it's okay for you to shift and change. We shed identities, and that's really what human design has helped me do is shed the identity. So, one of the challenges for a manifestor is very much people pleaser. We're we people please. And I that was an identity that I got to shed. And I was like, I don't need a people please. That doesn't mean no good, right? So there's a lot of deconditioning that comes with it. So if you're brand new to human design and you just take your design type and your inner authority and your profile lines, and even if you just do design type, you're still gonna get results. But I'm a firm believer in not just consuming it, but asking, how can I embody this? How can I embody my design type and allow myself to flow in the way that I'm actually meant to operate and not the way that you know my family or school or society has conditioned me to be, because it really is all about part of healing is deconditioning.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I believe in that so strongly. And I think that's one of the hardest things that um to kind of not to talk people through, but to almost like point out that they need to do because I think there's a lot of resistance in going in, like when you talked about the shadow side. Um, I think that we're so I mean, literally, our nervous systems are now like built to just keep us safe. And sometimes that fear of going inward is like causes us to just like turn in the other direction and be like, not, I'm not going there. But like when you can go inward and look at that shadow, it's so much, it's it's empowering. And it it sounds like you're saying that human design actually gives you sort of like a map to follow that says, like, if you can't spot, you know, the the parts of you that might just need a little bit of extra thought or work, like here you go. Like these are some ideas, at least to start with. Is that accurate?

Speaker:

Absolutely, yes. And and the the interesting thing about shadow sign, I've done a lot of shadow work, I've done a lot of inner child work, like shadow work to, I think I did almost like two years of solid shadow work. And one thing I will say is at any point in time, you can do shadow work and stop. You don't have to stay in it. You can also be just as effective by doing light work. And so I think like this is also another modality that not a lot of people think about. So when I say light work, like what does that look like for you to be dancing and for you to be fun and to really understand as I'm having fun, what's popping up for me and just see it in a place of love. You don't have to judge it, you don't have to fix it. Like, if I say, hey, go play for the day, like what pops up immediately? Because that's your conditioning, that's your work. And so, like, people think you know, this deep shadow space because a lot of times they go there, they stay stuck. Trust me, I was one of those of a Scorpio rising, so very much death and rebirth is in shadow work, right? That's oh, right there, yeah. I would stay there in that space, and then anytime somebody told me to do shadow work, I was like, Yeah, go get lost because I didn't understand I had the permission just to stop whenever I felt like I needed a break. Like this is a journey, it's not like you're gonna reach some the mile and be like, okay, I'm done, I'm good now.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know it's there's always more layers that you have to peel back. It's just like to get at that like deepest part, but um, it is, it's it's a commitment. But I do like how you name that that you can stop. It's not something like if it feels overwhelming, and sometimes it it can, right? Like it's sometimes it is. You're just like, I need a little break here, and I'm gonna go play and have fun and live in the lightness. And then I'll know when I'm ready to come back and kind of dig a little deeper, right? Because you know when you've got those blocks that are keeping you from the things you want, right? You know when you have the work to do, we just sort of Avoid it sort of naturally until we don't.

Speaker:

Yeah. And the other thing too, I always say if you don't want to go the shadow work, um, you can always uh increase your awareness because you can't change what you are not aware of.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's a really good point. You mentioned um inner trust earlier. And I think that that's something I've been just like sitting with for a while now, just like how how early I think that we are disconnected from trusting ourselves. Like there's I read a book earlier this year, and her she tells this story. So it's Rust is resistance. Um, I'm I'm not sure if you're aware of it. Trisha Hersey, I think, wrote that. And there's a story in it that I always come back to because it's like it was just so powerful. Like, I think because I have kids about the age of the child in the story, but like there's a child in the school, and the child has to go to the bathroom, and the teacher says, You can't go to the bathroom because it's not time to go to the bathroom. And the kids like, but I really gotta go. And she, and the kids like dancing and showing all these cues, and the teachers, you know, not letting the kid go. And the kids like in I want to say like late middle or late elementary school, middle to late elementary school. And the the child of middle, but eventually like loses control of their bladder and and has to walk to the you know bathroom to change clothes and all of that. And it's like you think about just that's the story that that lives with that child now, and the story that like that what took root there was like it's more important to conform to the needs of the classroom and to obey the teacher than it is to like listen to like how badly my body is yelling at me, like you need something different. And and it just like compounds. So I'm really interested in like this decision-making process because I think that's so it's such a practical use, I think, of human design in the in those first three things that you mentioned tuning into. Um, I think about like every day, I not maybe not every day, but like every time my husband's like, where do you want to go to dinner? And I'm like, or what do you want for dinner? And I'm like, I don't know, I'm a sacral authority too, right? So I'm like, I have no clue what I what I want. But if he would be like, Do you want tacos tonight? Like I could be like, yes or no, but I've never really thought about it like that. Like I know I get instant gut reactions to questions, but I hadn't thought about like boiling it down to just like asking for what I need. Like, can we can we try to break this down into something like a little less open-ended? Um, what are some of the other like decision-making like authorities that people might have?

Speaker:

Yeah, so um, so there's the and the emotional authority, the sacral authority, and then there's the splint authority. So splinting, they get the the gut feeling. It's very subtle and they get the gut feeling. And then there's the environment and the mental um authority. And these uh I just actually had a projector client who had this, and so they make decisions based on um their environment and based on where they're at. And then there's two or three other authorities, but I'm not pulling them off the top of the head, but yeah, yeah, I'm really putting you on the spot here.

Speaker 1:

I'm like, just please tell me all of the words of the chart without anything in front of you. But yeah, that's okay. So I yeah, I think that that's just a really practical use of how somebody can like immediately implement insights like this into their daily lives, right? Like it's um yeah, just like just really practical. So, okay, if somebody wanted to learn more about like what am I here to do in this world, what um, what might they look at in their chart?

Speaker:

So, interestingly enough, I probably spent a solid two or three years in what is my purpose? I searching and searching and searching, what is my purpose? What is my purpose? What is my purpose? And I believe this is a question that really um it's for me, when I think about purpose, I think our purpose changes over time. So if you're listening to this and you're like, what is my purpose and how can I find this out? I would encourage you to be like, A, look at your human design charts. Because if you look at your gates, some of your gates will kind of tell you what some of your purpose is, but that's kind of a deeper, that's more of a deeper version of human design. So if you wanted to do a reading and like go into the depths, you could. But when you're look, if you don't want to go into the depths of it, I would look at in general, your your human design chart will give you kind of some some idea. And it would be it could be as simple as taking your human design chart and then putting in Chat GPT what you're super passionate about, and that could be your answer. But don't get caught up in the what is my purpose because it's going to change and evolve over time. And I'll give you a personal example. I used to do think that my purpose was to open up a gym and coach people through fitness because I was a mom. I had gained like 60, 70 pounds with my youngest and never worked out a day in my life, didn't know how to work out. You know, fast forward, I lose 80 pounds, I compete in powerlifting, got my thousand pound total. So that's what I thought my purpose was. And then I leave, um, you know, go into corporate space, leave and have the spiritual awakening. And then I thought, well, now it's mindset. So I started mindset and business coaching then. Like that was where it was at originally. And then I was like, all right, um, there's something deeper here, went more into like the business and leadership side, you know, for helping, you know, leaders evolve and grow. And so I say that to share that as you move through life, your purpose is going to change. But if you can just take one step into your purpose, one action, usually that starts to open you up and show you the steps. It's like you have to take one step before seeing the destination on the, you know, before you get through all the stairs, right? And I think that's the biggest challenge is when people are like looking for purposes, like you already know what your purpose is. Like you already know, you just have to take one action and being open to pivot and change and evolve. And that's entrepreneurship, right? Like you're gonna make constant pivots. And it's okay to make changes, but we have to understand the conditioning that's put on us from a world from society that you can't change and evolve.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a really good point. I think like I I kind of see purpose as like this this spiral inward, and like there's certain points in that journey. It's it is a journey. The spiral has no end, right? It's just like it just keeps going in. But there's certain points, I think, on that journey where you kind of get these like it could be, you know, a feeling, a sign, uh, it's just like this inflection point, and you're like, okay, this feels right. This feels like purpose. This feels, I feel connected to it. But then, like you said it, like it, there's something deeper. You know, it's like something deeper might call you, and your purpose evolves, and then you feel called even deeper. Um, and it, I don't know if human design is like astrology in this way. Like, I've found that my own, my own purpose has shifted so many times. You know, it's like um as I've I guess continued on that like inward journey, and I think that each time I look back through my natal chart because it's really like rich with like knowledge and and I can look at things a different way. But I think each like each in each chapter, right? It's not a it's not day-to-day, like back-to-back days, but each time I'm in a new chapter and I pull up my chart, um, I'm like interpreting it almost through new eyes, where I'm like, oh wow, I didn't really see it this way before. Um, but now it's like speaking to me so clearly and differently, it sort of like evolves with me, even though it's all just there. Is that sort of how human design is too?

Speaker:

Yeah, yeah. And it's it's layers. And you could also you could look at your profile lines. Um, so for example, I'm a four six profile line. So the four four line is very opportunistic, has a huge network, relationship building community. The sixth line is the role model. And so if I looked at that, the role model does very well with what I do now is leadership, a lot of speaking, a lot of teaching, a lot of workshop, right? But then you could also say, you maybe you wanted to be a leader in something else, right? So human design will give you that. And kind of going back to your point on astrology, the more you heal and grow, the more things are gonna open up and you're gonna see it from a different lens.

Speaker 1:

That's super fascinating. So, as a parent, have you found that you use human design to like relate to your kids or understand your kids differently? Absolutely.

Speaker:

Yeah. So um, in full honesty, um, I absolutely hated being a mom, and I could not understand for the life of me why I don't like to be a mom. And I never uh never understood it. And then one day I joined a Facebook group just for manifest or women, and somebody posted in there about not wanting to be a mom. And I was like, wait a minute, I'm not the only mom that feels this way. Like I love my boys to death, but I absolutely there are days I don't like to parent. I just don't enjoy it. And what that what I've realized is I don't enjoy parenting when I'm not in a sprint. So manifestors work in sprints, and then when I'm not in a sprint and I need a rest period and they come and ask me for stuff while I'm in the rest period, now I'm angry that I've got to be a mom, right? So I've realized when I'm in a rest period, now I communicate that to my boys and I will say, hey, look, um, if you need anything, let me know. But for the next couple of days, like I'm your friend and not your mom. So I will literally have those conversations with it. I will set them boundaries. I will say, you know, I need this time alone. Is there anything you need before I go have my alone time? And then, you know, the boundary is you don't interrupt mom at all. But then at the same time, I teach them to do the same thing with what they need. So when it comes to like making decisions or when it comes because they're many gens, so they're manifesting generators and they both have different profile lines. So the one who has a three-five profile line, I know that he is going to be um, he he learns through experience. So he's gonna repeat some patterns, and then the five line, he's a problem solver, which can also become a people fixer. So when I see these tendencies in him, I will literally reflect that back to him. Hey, I saw, you know, this. Are you sure you want to learn this lesson again? And I will let him make that decision. And then I will tell him, I'm like, hey, I see your five-line acting out, like you're kind of people fixing. Like, do you want to talk about it? And he was like, then it brings that to the awareness, and then they can decide if they want to talk about it or not. But understanding that and then understanding their um definitions, so they're both um quad definitions, which means they need multiple different environments to feel whole. So I will purposely encourage them to try different things, and they're also manifesting generators. They love to have like a lot of different things going on at once. So I will encourage them to work that way. And then when they were getting, so my oldest is in college right now, my youngest is still in high school. When they're thinking about careers, I pulled their chart and I was sat them down. I was like, look, neither one of you are gonna do good in a nine to five. So I'm just gonna let you know if you're gonna have a career path, you might want to look at these things. Here's the information, do what you want with it. Like you get to decide what you want with it. But I want you guys to understand what it is so that you also understand you have the tools and the resources, and you don't get conditioned by schools and by people around you telling you what you should and should not do. Because in the schools, for example, uh, the one that's in high school, he told me he was like, Well, my math teacher thinks I'm really, really good at computers. I should go in this field, but my uh biology teacher thinks this, but my you know, music teacher thinks this. And so he's getting all this pressure, and especially in high school, they get all this pressure. And it's like, I told him I was like, I'm just giving you the permission not to do any of that. Like, you gotta feel what's in your purpose and what's in your soul. Like, you can't listen to what other people are saying. I'm here to be your unbiased opinion. I don't care if you're a doctor, lawyer, or if you go build the next tech company. Like it doesn't matter to me. But I want to make sure it's in alignment for you.

Speaker 1:

Wow. It's really powerful to think like that that the next generation, and of course, there were, I'm sure, some people in like older generations that had some of these tools, but like to have a parent who is empowering them with that information as they enter the world. Like when I went to college, I was like, well, I don't know what I want to do. I don't, I'm just gonna do this because it sounds good. My older sister was like in marketing and I kind of like the idea of PR. So I was like, sure, okay, all right, I'm gonna do PR, you know, and it's just like I just threw spaghetti at a wall the whole way. And it like there were a lot of happy accidents that like got me here and a lot of I think intuitive nudges that helped along the way. But like to have someone say, you know, like to you as as one of your children, like that this is like it's right here. Like this is sort of the map of your like it's your energetic blueprint, and this is how you're going to thrive. And I'm gonna help you understand it now so like you can make all of those decisions rooted in like yourself. That's really like powerful. Do you have you always talked to them through um like through human design language? Like I heard you say, like, I see your five-line acting up. Like, have you always used that kind of language?

Speaker:

No, no, I have not. And I always um say, you know, I never expected to be a mom ever. And um both my boys uh were not planned, and then my youngest was born on birth control, right? So it's just always interesting to see how much kids teach us. And my boys were the first ones to teach me true unconditional love. And that's why I know that they're in my life, like just one piece of it. And I used to be the mom that had like, you know, all the rules are like we ran on a tight ship. I was a single mom for you know most of my life that I've had them. And when I went through my spiritual awakening, my youngest told me he was like, Stop trying so hard. Like, we love you. And that was kind of where I started taking a look at parenting in general. Like, how do I parent and then sell all the conditioning that my parents did on me? I was doing on my boys. And I had to uncondition them, uncondition me. And then with human design, I started just secretly using it to try to like the communication style. Um, like the one I can communicate, hey, do X, Y, Z and walk away. The other one, I can't communicate that way. He needs to understand why and the purpose behind it, and then no issues. But if I don't give him the why and the purpose, it's gonna blow up in my face. And so just seeing those subtle changes, I was like, okay, this works. And then when I started building out more of you know my tech platform and they know like what I'm doing, I will explain now. Hey, that's your five line showing up, or that's your six, because I've got a six two line. I'm like, yeah, that's your six two line. And the two line, they are very naturally gifted, but they don't see it and they have a hard time seeing it. So I know for him, he has to be shown what he's capable of before he'll do it. And I use this for him and the gym. So my role at the house is when you're a teenager, you have to work out four days a week. Um, I don't care if it's running, yoga, whatever it is, but you have to move your body. Whatever you want to do, go walk. I don't care. He wanted to get in the gym and he couldn't stay consistent, but I knew he was really good at lifting. So I started on it, you know, every other day to be like, wow, like I saw you in the gym, like you were lifting, like you're really good at this. And he was getting really strong. And the more I would tell him that, the more it almost like clicked for him. And before I know it, he's in the gym five days a week. And now he's ripped, like ripped, benching 200 pounds at 18 with like 150 body weight, 150 pounds body weight, right? But knowing the two line has to, you have to show them those certain things, and then it clicks for them. And so that's kind of how I've been using human design to help them like grow past their capacity.

Speaker 1:

Wow. It's it's really like in any application of this, it's really cool to just hear about how you can learn more about yourself, how you can learn more like about parenting. And you know, I share a lot of the same struggles with you. And I like I have a one of my children is a projector, and I know that I um I we have some just like sports-related stuff that we're working through. And I'm like, I know the answers are in the human design chart because I know being a projector is um, I think it's one of the like there's not as many projectors, right? Like I think you said manifestors there's nine percent, manifesting generators. I think there's a lot, right? And then I forget what the others are, but anyway, you is that accurate?

Speaker:

Yeah, so um reflectors are one percent of the world, reflectors act like mirrors. Projectors are 20% of the world. Now, projectors, my business partner is a projector and I love projectors. Um, one thing I will say about projectors, especially if you have a child, um, they feel energy times 200. So whatever you feel, they're gonna feel 200 times. They also pick up a lot of people's projections, and they um really thrive when you can invite them into the conversation. And they absolutely thrive in the environment where they're fully seen and you invite them into it, and they have the most beautiful way of seeing things and the depths and the structure that no other design guide does. Um, just working with my business partner and able to see uh, they're like the wisdom and the guide of like they see the things that most people cannot see, but then they also pick up so much energy that if they're around school or a lot of different humans and they don't know how to clear that, they will bring that with them. And that can really challenge them because it feels so heavy for them to carry, because the energy is so heavy, you know, just collectively. Um, so one of the things that I know that my business partner does a lot is she clears her energy a lot, a lot, because they pick it up times 200 and they're watching for projections, like they pick up people's stories and projections. And depending on which centers are open for them, it's even more amplified. So if their head centers Open, they're getting thoughts that are not theirs. And if they don't know how to filter those, they're picking that up. Wow. And so the best thing for you know, as if I had a child that was a projector, some a few things that I would do is making sure that it's either sage or something to clear the energy because, and then also if they're old enough to teach how to clear their own energy and put themselves in bubbles, that would be a great practice for them. And then I would change in the way of constantly inviting them into the process because they probably have a lot to say, but they won't say it unless they're invited for their opinion. Then they usually open up.

Speaker 1:

Wow. That's so interesting. And there are a lot of practices that like I use in my daily life, like energetic shielding and the bubble and the, you know, the Palo Santo or Sage. And um, I I just, yeah, I haven't used it with my kids. And and you know, my older kids are like almost 11 and 12, and they're, you know, definitely old enough to understand some of this stuff. So um, you know, I just I appreciate this so much, like the lens through which you can you can look at this and apply, like, even though we're here talking about kids, like you can start to understand how like maybe being a projector in the business world or maybe being a projector um, you know, in in your relationships, like how all of those things might just just be a pathway for you to sort of just like tune into and and learn more about yourself. Um, I don't know. I mean, what what's what's your favorite part of the chart to work with?

Speaker:

The my favorite part of the chart to work with. Um, I always feel like the design type. So my favorites would be like design type, inner authorities, and profile lines. And I always say that's my favorites because that's where most of the clients that I work with get the biggest breakthrough. So when they understand you how to fully align with their design type and then their inner authorities and their profile lines, it's like game over. And then also understanding just because you're a manifesting generator, you are not gonna function like the other manifesting generators because there's so much differently in your chart. And also, if you've done a lot of healing work and that other many jan has not, it's gonna be like night and day. You're like, no, we do not function the same. Yeah. So it's just understanding that, and at a high level, if we're looking from a business lens, so generators, 10 out of 10, I recommend you stay where your joy is at and where you're lit up. Like whatever that is, your energy is gonna be constant there. Constant. Like generators have so much energy. If my software developer is a generator, and when we we were developing this product, he was so lit up, he was just constantly working like 24-7. He's like, Oh my goodness, I'm so excited. I'm like, okay, just take a break whenever you're, you know, need a break. But you know, that's kind of understanding generators, and then for manifesting generators, one of the their strengths is they could do multiple things. Um, but the challenge is if they don't have the team or the structure to help them amplify, it can kind of feel like chaos and all over the place. And a lot of times with many gens, I will tell them the first thing that they have to look at is their calendar. And they have to create white space in their calendar. And the reason for that is if you don't create the white space, you're constantly in this energy because you have so, so much going, going, going, go, go, go, going. If you don't create the white space, you don't have the time to detach from it. I don't care if you do nothing in that white space because a lot of time that that white space in your calendar kind of makes you have that break to where you can just literally go on a walk and before you know it, you have all these different ideas coming in. And so it's like that's one of the, you know, their things. But many gens also like they have the manifest and the generator together, and so they're kind of like the hybrid, right? So they can initiate to a certain extent. Um, and then for uh reflectors, they're they're the mirror. So they're like the evaluator and they're huge on their environment. So if your environment is trash, you're gonna have a hard time as a reflector. So for reflectors in business, it's huge to make sure you are in spaces that the environment is good, the mindset is good, they can see you and they can help you into that space because you'll mirror back everything. So if you're in a toxic uh work environment or toxic business, that you're gonna mirror that and feel that as a reflector. And then then for projectors, um, so theirs is kind of waiting for the invitation, um, but they are like systems and structure and they can see gaps that not a lot of people can see. And even though they have to wait for the invitation, I kind of think that's also kind of a mindset thing where people are like, oh, I can't do anything because I don't wait for the invitation. Um, it's like, no, you can. Um, but with projectors, as soon as they're invited, they're teaching workshops. They really thrive in that kind of environment. Um, and then for manifestors, uh, in a business sense, is whatever you're doing is gonna be out of the out of the box. It's gonna be innovative, it's gonna be something that uh not a lot of people have heard of. Um manifestors do tend to get overlooked. So that's one thing that you have to learn to work with. And then how you work is very much sprint and rest. So I could work for a solid seven to 14 days straight and not take a day off and then take four or five days off. It just depends on what I'm working and where my cycle is at.

Speaker 1:

That's so interesting. And and is it so a manifesting generator, would you say that that um those individuals have different balances, or is it sort of like could you be like 10% manifestor and 90% generator, or is it usually more about an even blend?

Speaker:

So uh I would say a lot of that is going to be depending on how you were conditioned and also what environments you're in, and depends on your centers. So, for example, projectors can pick up energy from manifesting generators and generators. So, my business partner who is a projector, she doesn't have constant energy like many gens and generators do. She co-works on a daily basis with a manny gen who has that center and they feed off of each other's energy. So, with manifesting generators, it depends on your, you know, the environment, it depends on your centers, and it depends on how you're conditioned. And um, most of the world is conditioned to be very much generator because I think what 70% of the world is manifesting generators and generators. And so there's a lot of energy. There's a lot, a lot of hustle, hustle, hustle. And so for those that are not that, we have to really watch that and not pick that up. But at the same time, I often say for manifesting generators and generators, just because you have that energy does not mean that you have to be working constantly. Like that's just a construct, that's just a story that you can, you know, just don't subscribe to it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, there's other things you can be doing. That's something that I've had to peel. I'm like, I love creating, and I'm like, I don't need to be like working all the time. Like maybe some of that time I'll be like working with clay or but okay, so I want to hear a little bit about the tool that you built. I would love for you to just tell us like what it is, where we can find it, and you know what people can do with it.

Speaker:

Yeah, so I'll send you the link where you can find it. Um, and what the tool does is when you log in and you go through the onboarding process, it will ask you for your human design information. It will pull your human design charts. And based off of your human design charts, then you uh we have a bunch of free resources and you can start the leadership journey. And the whole intention of the platform is for you to get to embody your human design from a leadership aspect. So each day you log into the platform and you do an activity, shouldn't take more than 10, 15 minutes. But the activity is to increase your awareness and then also give you an action item to embody that day. So, for example, um, if you're learning about your design type, which is the very start of the journey, it will tell you, hey, you're a manifesting generator. And then based on this, this is your strength, this is your challenge. And now what are you no longer going to do because it's not in alignment with you? So it gives you that inner reflection for you to understand what is an alignment, what is not, and help you decondition to where you can start to embody and be more your truer self.

Speaker 1:

Wow, that's really cool. Um, yeah, definitely send me the link and I will include it in show notes and and when we publish the episode, because um I'm I'm gonna like jump on that right away and be like, tell me more. So yeah, this conversation has just been um just so inspiring and enlightening and educational. And I just um I kind of wish we could just keep going, but I'm just I'm so grateful to have you here today. Thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker:

Thank you for having me.